Anti-Abortion Protesters Demonstrate Outside Loch Raven High School
A group of protesters held signs outside Loch Raven High School.
UPDATE (12:17 p.m.) — A group of pro-life protesters gathered near the entrance to Loch Raven High School this morning as parents and busses dropped students off to begin the school day.
Jeff Okeson, a Loch Raven parent whose daughter is in eleventh grade at the school, told Patch that there were "a bunch of protesters outside the school" when he went to drop his daughter off Friday morning.
"They were anti-abortionists—they had the typical signs with nasty pictures of unborn fetuses," Okeson said. "They were pinpointing the buses as kids were being dropped off; I thought it was interesting that they were doing that at a school entrance."
Okeson said the protesters were standing along Cowpens Avenue, near the entrance to the school.
Loch Raven High School principal Bonnie Lambert told Patch that three people were standing near the entrance to the school, one on either side of the roadway, and one in a median dividing the two lanes.
"We don't think that it was an appropriate location for this kind of protest," Lambert said. "We're very disappointed that they chose to demonstrate this way, but we have faculty and parents out there to distract the students attention from the signs, and to prevent students and parents from becoming upset"
Charles Herndon, a spokesman for Baltimore County Public Schools, confirmed that there was a group of protesters at the school this morning.
He said the school system became aware about a month ago that a group of anti-abortion protestors was "selecting high schools at random" and "showing up occasionally to express their views during the arrival of students in the morning."
A similar incident occurred at Perry Hall High School in mid-February.
"As far as we know it's the same group," Herndon said. "As far as I know, they have all the permits they need, they've complied with all the local regulations they have to comply with."
Herndon also said that although the protest took place near the school, to the best of his knowledge the protesters were not on school property.
After the incident in Perry Hall two weeks ago, County Councilman David Marks released the following statement:
Our office has talked with the Baltimore County Police Department's Colonel of Operations and to the permits office. We have asked the permits office to make sure principals are notified when this type of permit is issued, and the Colonel of Operations is going to communicate to his staff that police should ask to see a permit whenever these type of incidents occur.
I am personally pro-life and support freedom of speech, but I question the location of this protest and think it was disruptive during a time of the day that is particularly busy and congested.
What do you think: is outside a high school an appropriate place to stage an anti-abortion protest? Tell us why or why not in the comments.
softballmom
1:17 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012
They were at Parkville High in January, and according to the school adminstration, they knew ahead of time and there was nothing they could do, since they were technically not on school property.
April S.
9:40 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
yeah im a student at parkville and i saw them too when my bus was coming into the school. I was so mad they were right in front of the school it's like they were implying that highschool girls are more likely to choose abortion cause of their age that us girls aren't responsible enough or something. Maybe that's just me thinking this was their motive but they couldn't have chosen somewhere else to be? The posters were horrific and gruesome! I understand freedom of speech but to me with these posters that was way too far.
Lexa Newman
11:17 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
This is so true. It was kind of comically ridiculous at Parkville in January. But they left a lasting impression on the kids with their "gross posters" and such. It was kind of ridiculous.
JDStuts
2:55 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012
What's problematic is there is no clear message (don't have sex or don't have abortions?) or metric to measure the effectiveness of the campaign. That's why I always like infiltrate these demonstrations and hand out condoms. When people object I point out they have a near 98% effectiveness rate.
Plus they are fun to blow up and release into traffic.
Diane
4:45 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012
The protesters don't need a permit, as long as they are on public property.
It's called freedom of speech. It's found in the First Amendment to the Constitution.
Julie
12:28 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
PROTESTERS OFTEN DO NEED PERMITS. HERE'S INFO FROM THE ACLU WHICH SEEKS TO PROTECT ALL RIGHTS, INCLUDING THOSE TO ABORTION:
You have a constitutionally protected
right to engage in peaceful protest in “traditional
public forums” such as streets, sidewalks or parks.
But, the government can impose "time, place and
manner" restrictions on speech by requiring
permits. These restrictions are generally
permissible as long as they are reasonable and
not based on content. The government cannot
impose permit restrictions simply because it does
not like the message of a certain speaker or group.
√ If, for example, you are planning a parade
that involves closing down streets, a permit is
almost always required. But a small march that
stays on public sidewalks and obeys all traffic
signals often does not require a permit. Make sure
to inquire about city or county ordinances that
regulate First Amendment activities.
√ Generally, you have the right to distribute
literature, hold signs and collect petition
signatures while on sidewalks or in front of
government buildings as long as you are not
disrupting other people, forcing passersby to
accept leaflets or causing traffic problems.
ChrisAmanda
5:30 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012
I am a student at Parkville High and those protesters were out there about a month ago. Even though they have the right to protest, they should not do it outside of a school.
Bart
6:17 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012
What do they ever plan to accomplish by protesting in front of the kids? The kids will think they are strange, and laugh off the whole thing. Not a very good way to make converts.
Has any real group claimed this farce?
donna
8:44 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
The Group yesterday was CBR Maryland.
Stacie
10:30 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012
There is no logical reason for protesting outside of a high school. And of you read their website it says that they go to campuses where they are invited. If that is true who invited them?
PatchFriend
10:52 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012
These are the same people that did it on school property at Parkville High School. The images were gruesome, and jarring. I am certain that they were NOT invited to any school property. It is a guerilla effort not sanctioned by anyone. As a practicing Roman Catholic, I almost vomited. It was not a conversation, it was a visual rape.
Lexa Newman
11:23 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
They can't be the same folks who say they only go where they are invited. That doesn't make any sense. What public school would invite them? And if invited, why would they have to stand on public property outside the school?
concerned parent
10:56 pm on Friday, March 2, 2012
We came upon the protest this morning and were almost involved in a car accident due to the distraction of the large horrible photos. What is the message here? Is it fair to subject younger children to these photos? This group took away my right as a parent to decide what I expose my children to! Many students were upset and horrified- this road also feeds two other schools in the vicinity. It is disruptive and they should not be near school property, not to mention the safety hazards of traffic. Shame in you CBER!!
Needaname
7:30 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
This is disgusting. Approximately 12-13 years ago these protesters where stationed outside of GBMC during rush hour where my Son and his Father drove by daily. Dad was shocked by the graphic pictures and in the beginning, we both at a loss as to how to explain the pictures.
Margaret
7:59 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
I say good for them They are really trying to stop all abortions even if it is in front of a high scholl
Margaret
8:00 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
And I forgot to say the teenagers will hopefully think twice before having sex and abortion.
Life Matters
8:29 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Whether we want to accept it or not....high school age students are having sex and some get pregnant. 25 % of all abortion are done high school age students. Many if not most high school students let alone adults have never seen what abortion does to a baby..... therefore live and operate in misconception about abortion. They do not realize that a baby, a human being, is killed in the brutal way via abortion.
For the student, the decision to become sexually active is life changing....becoming pregnant is life changing.....which is followed by the life changing decision...am I to give birth to my baby and be a single teen age single parent....or am I going to kill my baby by having it aborted. The Education system is failing the students by not providing them will all the information about sex, human fetal development, adoption and abortion.....high school students need the full disclosure particularly about abortion....how abortion are performed and the risks that are presented to the Mom having an abortion. The Demonstrators or Street Educators are simple doing what the Education system has failed to do.. Life Matters
donna
8:42 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
As a parent, it is MY JOB, NOT YOURS, to educate my children.
El Los
8:36 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Abortion is a very complicated issue. An issue that will be debated forever. Whether you agree with abortion or not, one this is not debatable: You can't tell someone else what to do with his/her own body. Lets remember we live in the land of the free. If you want to control women's bodies, move to North Korea.
Kiley Saeed
8:37 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
It is not fair to parents to have to explain this to younger children. Protesting near a school is out of bounds. These are children at these schools. And to all of you bleeding hearts, it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS what others do with their bodies! You're NOT my doctor!
donna
8:39 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
I was one of the parents who stood in front of the photos. They were graphic and horrific. I even told the protester that I agreed he has his right to free speech, but the photos are over the line. If they (the photos) were in a film, the film would have an R rating (which means kids couldn't see it), so why are they allowed to be displayed openly in front of a school?
Needaname
8:48 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Thanks for taking a stand. Teens are immune to grostesque pictures and there are some kids who will try to get a better view. These people obviously don't have teenagers otherwise they would realize they are just providing some commotion for the kids to discuss for the day. By now these kids have been educated on what abortion is and if they want to see some gross pictures they have the internet.
Stacie
1:39 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Thanks for standing up for the parents that couldn't be there. I commend you and wish I could have been by your side. Thanks again Donna.
Needaname
8:52 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Does the anti-abortion group remember why abortion was legalized ? People are going to get abortions in a Doctors office or in a back room. The anti-abortion group need to go after people like Sherri Shepard who confessed to 5 or so abortions thereby making some think it is a method of birth control.
Josephine Hlatki
9:03 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Schools teach kids how to have sex, hand out condoms & refer for abortions, but refuse to teach the consequences.
The reason there are so many abortions is because the reality of it is hushed. "OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND". Kids are having sex long before High School now and need to know the consequences of their actions before they kill their babies and destroy their own lives in the process.
Keep in mind Abortion not only kills that baby but the generations of people that baby would have produced. It also destroys the emotional well-being of the people involved and in many instances, can make the girl sterile or dead.
A girl or woman never forgets having an abortion and neither do the people who took part in the abortion...parents, boyfriend... It takes an emotional and spiritual toll on all. Women who have had abortions regret it the rest of their lives.
Abortion is not a boo boo that heals. It's murder and women realize it after the fact if they are not made aware before they do it so they can have the chance to change their mind. So many good people would love to adopt these babies.
AND YES, I've seen these young girls dragged to abortion mills by their parents, in tears, begging not to have the abortion. THAT is what is disgusting.
http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/
God bless those who enlighten others before they are put in that situation of choosing life over death and having to live with it later.
donna
9:30 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
It is my job as a parent to teach my children - just as it is yours. I do not stand in front of your home or school with condoms, and I expect the same respect! And as for the kids that are being forced by their parents to have an abortion - what about all the girls who are forced to keep an unwanted pregnancy? Isn't that something that a girl has to live with everyday of her life? Is that a "boo boo that heals" ? Isn't her emotional well being at risk as well?
Josephine Hlatki
9:58 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Donna, you say it's your job to teach your children and demand respect in that. I strongly suggest you look into what your children are being taught in school without your knowledge. I used to work for BCPS and thanked God for getting me out of that job in the Social Studies Dept. that promoted sex, issued condoms and referred for abortions.
Nobody is forced to keep their child. That is where the proper counseling is so valuable at Pregnancy Centers. Options are discussed, which does not happen at abortion mills where you are there for one reason and they will not discuss options with you. It's not in their financial interest.
You are aware that abortion is a multi-million dollar industry, aren't you? Besides the money made in aborting, abortion mills will schedule abortions so the baby is taken at the age the BUYER is requesting parts for. You can't actually believe they are in it for the women or girl's well-being.
So many loving couples are begging for babies to nuture and love as their own. I know a lot about this and believe me, adoption is the answer, not abortion. Giving a child to a couple to adopt and love does not carry the same emotional upheaval that abortion does.
btw, I raised 2 pro-life sons who knew was abortion was all about at a young age and now have 4 pro-life granddaughters. I'm so glad I showed my sons what an abortion was and they, in turn are teaching their children.
See the links I'm providing in my next post.
Stacie
1:35 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Anita, the schools are not promoting having sex, they are teaching how to protect our kids not only from pregnancy but from disease. They are reinforcing with my daughter what responsibility comes with sex. I have been teaching my daughters since elementary school thath they have to protect themselves and be responsible for their actions. I am proud that my girls are fully educated on what can happen.
I was a teen mother that choose not to abort but to raise my child, and I beleive every person has a choice.
Making a girl have a baby she doesn't want and then forcing her to give him up to adoption is more psychologically detrimental than an abortion because the mother spends the rest of her life wondering where she is, if he is safe, if she is happy.
What about the drug addicted woman who already has 2 kids being raised by someone else and gets pregnant for a 3rd time. She doesn't take care of the 2 she has, who will raise the 3rd?
You have the right to freedom of speech just as I do. But as with everything there is a place and time for everything. The photos the group demonstrates with are not appropriate for outside of school at 7am, they are not appropriate for anyplace a small child could see them. Simple wording is just as effective. The graphics the group used were unnecessary which is what is most upsetting to parents and the community.
Josephine Hlatki
9:38 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Here's an education for everyone who does not understand abortion.
If you are still going on the false assumption that the baby is not a baby but a glob of tissue that feels nothing, you need to see this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_KvVMZw_a4&feature=related
Once you've seen an abortion, you definitely think twice before doing it.
See the cost of abortion here.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/how-much-does-abortion-cost.htm
Post abortion testimonies.
http://priestsforlife.org/postabortion/postabortiontestimonymen.htm
Concerned Parent
1:53 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Ms. Schatz, you are a 49 year old retired school secretary. You were not an educator. You also spoke up criticizing an Anti-Discrimination bill, speaking of your ludicrous fear that a transgender-ed person might rape you in a bathroom. Your hate mongering is all over the internet. As a parent with children in the Baltimore County School System, I'm thrilled you are no longer anywhere near my children's schools.
Needaname
10:10 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
I am over 50 years old. My parents NEVER DISCUSSED SEX, BIRTH CONTROL NOR ABORTION with any of us. NEVER. So, we learned from friends, books, Planned Parenthood (for birth control), ect. It is up to the individual to take responsibility for their actions and I don't believe anybody needs to judge anyone on what they do, parents or kids. If using the picture method of shocking people is so effective, some people need to weigh in if this method was effective. If anything, the pic's would be a reminder to take your birth control. I remember a Home Economics Teacher In Junior High School give us an INFORMAL sex education lesson by telling a group of us 8th graders - 'Do you want to have a few moments of pleasure only to suffer the consequences forever ?' That small bit of wisdom as stayed with me a lifetime. I do not agree with using those pictures as a way to prevent abortion. If I hear of this group showing up at a school, I will be there to block those images.
Josephine Hlatki
10:11 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
You can order this film in it's entirety.
http://bloodmoneyfilm.com/
Proof that the abortion industry is just that....a money making industry. I misquoted above...it's actually a Billion Dollar industry.
http://www.abortiontv.com/Misc/BabyPartsForSale.htm
How abortion mills pressure, not give options to women and girls. It's in their financial interest.
http://afterabortion.org/2012/planned-parenthoods-mission-is-to-pressure-women/
http://www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_for_profit/
donna
10:28 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
I DO know what my children are being taught, Thank You! I personally want my children to know how to make RESPONSIBLE CHOICES. There are girls forced to keep their children - I have seen it happen. Girls who were forced (by their parents) into marriages they did not want, girls who weren't able to finish school because of an unplanned pregnancy. And yes, you can put a baby up for adoption - and maybe it will get adopted - maybe.
fullofopinions
10:38 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
I do see the issue with having to explain these pictures and how uncomfortable and unsettling it would be to have to have that conversation... I am a bit confused though by all the parents who say it is for THEM to teach their children and it is an issue between families... Who is complaining that the school writing passes and excusing your children to go get birth control AND ABORTIONS is not an infringment between you and your children. You know the schools have taken you out of the equation already by doing this! I also think getting an abortion not knowing the full consequences is much harder on these children then seeing those pictures! I would not show pictures like that, but the double standart is confusing to me...
Josephine Hlatki
10:48 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Dear fullofopinions, thank you for that observation. You explained it so well.
Regarding the pictures....research has found that when pictures and videos of actual abortions are shown, the likelihood of the people viewing those having a future abortion is greatly reduced.
As I said, I'm not here to attack others, just to educate. That's why we send our children to school, to be educated. The risks and dangers of abortion are not taught in schools and it's up to us as parents to educate ourselves on this so we can keep our children from making horrible mistakes that will affect the rest of their lives.
Needaname
10:56 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
One of the reasons WHY the schools are doing the sex education is because the kids are not educated at home. I did not instruct my son on how to wear a condom, he learned from school. I also did not have the conversation regarding STD's either. I was not sure when either of these issues where to be presented, but I was prepared for the questions when he asked and some of the questions came from what he was taught in school. For me, school opened the door for the dialogue.
Josephine Hlatki
10:39 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Donna, I'm just providing the necessary information for some informed decision making for you and others reading these posts. No need to get riled up. The way you wrote your first post, it sounded like you may not have been aware of what is being taught in schools.
It is your child, and teaching that child IS your responsibility and the consequences of those teachings are also your responsibility. But, if we allow the government to educate our children on moral issues that should be taught at home, then, those of us who are concerned for the souls of those children, will continue to do their best to do what God would want us to do...save the children, both those in danger of abortion and the children bearing those babies.
We just all need to keep in mind, what decisions we make today will be paid for when we meet the Lord one day.
Matthew 18:6
But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea.
Amen.
Paul Thomas Winchell
11:37 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
blah blah blah jesus jesus jesus... christian 'sex-education' policies (which basically consist of 'dont have sex') have failed miserably. You sad little little stone age cult is on its way to obscurity, other western nations have already cast of the pathetic superstitions that backwards folk such as yourself so eagerly embrace. Nobody cares about your sad little book of bronze age morality or what you think about abortion... your pathetic religion has done nothing but retard the progress of humanity, and these people protesting outside a school just demonstrate the self righteous ignorance that christianity promotes. seriously... can't all of you just get raptured>????
Buck Harmon
11:00 am on Monday, March 5, 2012
The bible was written by human beings...not God...not Jesus...human beings seem to interpret it to suit their needs related to life's journey....not sure that a superior power would smile at this or just look a little puzzled. Some questions may only be answered from deep within the individual soul. Those answers can never be legislated....waste of time....
donna
11:01 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Dear Anita & Fullofopinions -
I do not need or want you to inform me! And again, I really would not have had an issue if you were providing info to those who asked, or with with gentle posters. I did not need my 14 year old to see those photos. There are parents who had even younger children in the car with them who had to explain those photographs, and what abortion is! And , I do not need you to save me. You are under the presumption that everyone believes in your god. We don't.
Needaname
11:05 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Well said !
fullofopinions
12:41 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012
not sure what that was about... I only said your out of the picture as far as the school is concerned anyway... If you chose to stay ignorant to the fact that the school is already making these decisions for your child so be it... that was not meant as an insult to you, but I fear I struck a nerve. I DID NOT support the idea of the pictures so I am not sure what your rant with my name in it has to do with anything. Oh well, sorry that comment got to close to home for you!
As a parent of two teenage boys, I always want to know what is going on... it is my responsibility in raising productive members of society. Healthy and happy...
Josephine Hlatki
11:36 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Matthew 10:14
If any household or town refuses to welcome you or listen to your message, shake its dust from your feet as you leave.
I've done my job. The rest is up to you to either listen to God or not.
JDStuts
8:52 pm on Saturday, March 3, 2012
Eh, Anita, according to Westboro Baptist Church you are going to hell regardless of your stance on abortion. They seem very religious since they attend a bunch of military funerals and pray aloud.
Stacie
1:17 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Anita, do what Matthew says and leave.
Steve
8:52 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012
You are so right, Donna! and to you Anita-- do you have children? How cold and abrasive you must be to think those pictures are acceptable. Why not put up pictures of murder victims for gun control, would that work? NO
It takes a village to raise our children -- GET OUT OF OUR VILLAGE!!!
concerned parent
1:38 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
UPDATE: This matter has reached the district attorneys office. IT is legal for protestors to be near a school, UNLESS it is disruptive to the students... the pictures were very disturbing thus disruptive. The police called me back for further input-- I will be following up with this issue...
Stacie
1:43 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Thanks, please keep us posted!!!!
Needaname
4:29 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
There was a police car in the church drive away across from the rear entrance of Towson High School this morning. I doubt this is of any significant but I hope if these individuals plan a visual assault at Towson, perhaps the Police can make them leave. In the meantime I have stocked up on silly string and I am planning my protest against the protesters.
ESA
8:30 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
My how times have changed. When I went to Towson High (mid 80's) they showed us these nasty photos IN SCHOOL, in health class. They also showed a film where they described in detail how abortions are performed. I remember it vividly, I actually passed out.
concerned parent
7:31 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
This group -- the Center for Bioethical Reform seems to get a charge out of showing these horrific pictures. They don't care about abortion but sensationalism-- this is not about pro-life for them, but dramatic, shocking attention they get from disturbing the community with their posters. These people have issues! Someone will get hurt while driving at the shock of these images...is this group prepared for that responsibility.
Why not have some balls and let the public know where you will be protesting next...I will be there with my spray paint! Bring it!!
Needaname
8:24 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
If I find out they are coming into my terrain, I am ready. I thought about the spray paint too, but I would be afraid it would go into someones eyes. I am taking a more sissified approach with silly string and water balloons and maybe eggs. ... bring~it~on! This is a long time coming. My son had an eyeful of these pics when he was 6 years old and it is time for this tactic to stop.
Bart
8:09 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Can you imagine the outrage from these people if THEIR children had been shown graphic photos in school without their parents' permission? They'd be burning up the phone lines and protesting.
holly
8:58 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
As a parent with YOUNG children (5 and 7) I do not want to have to explain to my 5 year old why there is a picture of a dead baby being held up while we are driving by. I don't disagree that high school aged students are one of the target markets for this type of message, I don't think younger kids need to be exposed. There is no way to avoid the pictures because you don't know they are there until you are on top of the images. If they want to share this message, hold an assembly within the school for age appropriate people. make the parents sign a permission slip for the kids to attend or something. We have enough bad drivers on the roads and near miss accidents due to distractions, lets not add more.