Oops, Faux News forgot to tell you that the Fast & Furious guns got into Mexico because Arizona gun laws were so weak that the ATF couldn't get a conviction - so they had to let them go through... You can look it up (but not on Newsbreakers)

You can tell who gets their news from Fox, can't you.

Shouldn't Eric Holder have been aware of Arizona's gun laws?

Kenneth Pahr, you should read the article - it doesn't go together the way Sean Hannity says it does.

I don't watch or listen to either of Hannity's shows nor do I watch much Fox News. I think it's hilarious though how you trash Fox News but hold up news outlets such as CNN or the Washington Post as undeniable sources of the truth.
BTW, did you read the entire article and comprehend everything? It is an incredibly long and dull article.

I thought this article was about the Baltimore County Police Chief calling for stricter gun laws, not about who watches what news channels. Just saying.

those of you who believe the ATF couldn't get a conviction, i can tell you you're wrong. the ATF knew they were straw purchases and sent them over the border anyway, under the pretense of tracking them.

i got my information from the guy who broke the story, Mike Vanderboegh.

Oh Laura, if Mike Vanderboegh is where you get your news, I feel very sorry for you...

Kenneth Pahr, I did read the entire article - even the part where the weapons found at the Brian Terry scene were technically not part of the F&F operation, but fed through by a rogue agent bypassing his boss and trying to make a name for himself.

You know, real news is not always going to be exciting with sensational sound bytes. As in this case, it's not nearly as simple as the ATF running guns to Mexican Cartels.

@Honeygo Hal, he's the guy everyone else has been working with to get the story. why not get it from the source?

Oops
pathetic argument Hal
The dealers have the power to not do a sale if they have suspicions that it is not legitimate. Several actually called the BATF and were told to keep selling. They were so concerned they asked for it in writing so if things went wrong, which it did, the dealers wouldn't be liable. Which is why no dealers are being charged with anything.

Mike A. - you realize you are talking about ARIZONA gun dealers, right? The same state where open carry is a (demented) sign of manhood? As long as those dealers, who likely know the law and the likelihood of penalties against them, can make big piles of money from the guns they sell to people they don't know you think they are going to stop a sale? Sheriff Joe probably thinks such sales mean fewer "illegals" for him to sweep.

Methinks this thread has been hijacked, and I shouldn't be stoking the fire.

Gotta love all the fools who pretend to know all about F&F when they have just heard of it or denied it even happened for so long and they are the experts.
I wonder where they learned of it since it was covered so little for so long. And Fox was the first then CBS was doing a good job although a bit late.
Now the deniers are the experts who know all the details. Too funny!

to clarify: magazines over 20 rounds are not permitted to be sold, purchased, or brought into the state.

Laura, the law states "A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 20 rounds of ammunition for a firearm." No where in that does it say you can't physically acquire them from surrounding states and bring them home to Md.

I forgot to state that possession of magazines over 20 rounds is legal.

in 14 days, assuming the state does nothing to fight it, carry permits will be accessible to us plebes.

Like Laura M said, just a little while longer!:-)

state police must see things differently, since they're ready to send some 300 permits out in less than 14 days.

Funny, I thought he Colorado shooter was a law abiding citizen with no criminal record before he snapped. Neuroscience PhD programs will do that to you, I suspect.

So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on my screen name, since your original post marks you as spelling-challenged (strickter - really?)

I'll save you the effort - even though the link is one of the top five hits -
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/?iid=HP_LN

And I can spell what you asked - I S S A P o l i t c a l S t u n t - since the Justice Dept would be the one who takes action, do you really think his grandstand play will get anywhere? But now I've strayed too far from the subject of this article - how IS the ADD medication working for you?

Wow, Honeygo Gal, you found an article- sponsored by CNN. And you made no spelling errors. You Go Girly!!!

As if I really thought you would (would? I meant could - it has big words and complicated sentences) actually read it, the link is an article from Fortune magazine. But then, if Rush or O'Reilly doesn't "translate" it for you, you would never believe it anyway.

Stop already with the girly stuff, I don't even look like Jerry Sandusky. What are you going to do while he's in jail?

So the truth according to Hal is from a CNN blog!
More hilarious reporting from the same people who denied it ever happened in the first place!! Then they didn;t cover it when some were. Now they are the experts in all things F&F.
Well here is David Ogden, Dep AG on the kick off of F&F.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc

Windriver - I actually viewed the links you posted, but you dismiss the ones I noted because of their source? Boy - Fox, Rush, & Glenn Beck have diplomas on your completion of obedience training. Although the link is from a CNN blog, the article details an in-depth investigation by Fortune magazine. I haven't followed any of the "right's" reporting on this, but I have seen many times before how one whack-job (can you say Vanderboegh) posts something on a blog and then others pick up on it and decree it as fact. Turd Blossom himself (Rove) did this recently regarding where POTUS was spending Independence Day.

"Breaking the News" and "Inventing the Conspiracy" are two very different things - you believe in your fantasies, and I'll follow facts...

Anyone who continues there fetish of Fox Beck and Limbaugh is a tool.

"How do these guys get into these positions?", don't forget Buck that Jim Johnson was nothing more than a mouth piece for Jim Smith and doing the same for KK. This statement basically came right out of KK's mouth. Stupid people vote for stupid candidates... and this is what we get... just saying...

Buck: Not necessarily. If it's covering the cost of a service throughout the process, you know, something that the dealer would have to pay otherwise.

but a fee just for the sake of having one? then I'd agree.

I'm not familiar with the gun purchasing process though, admittedly.

You can NOT "just go online and buy one"!! What are you talking about?! Even so, what is wrong with a .50cal? How is it different than any other long range rifle. You cant wait until it looks like afghan? Thousands and thousands of family's have guns and AR-15's in Maryland, why doesnt it look like afghan right now?! I would love to hear your response.

Again, I can not wait until these news story's blow over so people can go onto spewing their misinformation onto the next big news event. Comments on the internet are not reflective of the real worlds beliefs. big news and media is entertainment, meant to get people stirred up.

aww, your misinformation is hilariously ridiculous.

more pablum form the wanna be rights deniers. Too bad most of them don't know a semi form a full auto or a breach from an extractor.

Well, first the road rage cases would be solved quickly. Then the incidence of people butting into line at the grocery store or at the movies. And settling the parking spots at the mall at Christmastime would be a snap. All that and reduced population growth as well - why not?

legally, within Maryland, open carry of long guns is legal. just so you know.

also, please explain what an assault weapon is in your mind. i assure you, you're incorrect.

Laura, I guess you have some NRA approved definition of an assault weapon. By all means, go with that if you want to. I will go with the gun the Colorado shooter used. Helped him to kill and wound seventy people in about ninety seconds and perfectly legal. Please start to carry your long gun with you at all times so we can feel safer. Next time you go to the movie theatre with it I am sure all the patrons will appreciate the gesture.

The AR-15 is not an assault rifle any more than a 30-06 is.
Any weapon used to assault is an assault weapon. Whether it is a .22 or a 50cal.

Honeygo Hal - I am not the first to say this, but an armed society is generally a polite society...

"Any weapon used to assault is an assault weapon. Whether it is a .22 or a 50cal."
Or a rock, hammer, baseball bat, car etc. Anything used to assault someone is an "assault weapon" as a result of it's use, not what it is. My AR-15 has never "assaulted" anything but targets. And legally it's not an assault weapon because it doesn't have a bayonet lug or a flash suppressor.

one could apply that to anything, though.

i mean, they could have gotten it wrong with regards to the freedom of speech or religion, right?

And you know what they were thinking when they wrote that sacred document? Or does the "left" (remember, you brought labels into this) think the constitution only applies when they want it to? Just asking.

I believe that to term the Constitution "Right" is wrong. The Constitution is a tool of the people designed to maintain some degree of balance for society. The more out of balance society becomes, the more challenge is brought into the interpretation of it's true meaning. Until balance can be achieved the Constitution will continue to serve as it was intended to, to challenge and keep government under control by the people. This is a dumb control attempt that will never make anyone safer...a failure in this Police Chief's sworn oath to uphold the Constitution. He should be removed.

Buck Harmon - So you have exercised your 1st Amendment right - don't you think the Police Chief is entitled to his? I guess not...

Ken, apparently you're happy enough being a sitting duck. More power to you!

Yea, That REALLY looks like the wild west....!

Dozens of other shoppers, who too could have become victims, are also thankful for the gun carrying man. And many, like Danylle Julian, are still in shock from the experience. "Scary actually. Really scary. Five minutes before I walk out to my car. It could have been me."

By the time officers arrived the suspect had been subdued by employees and shoppers. Police had high praise for gun carrying man who ended the hysteria. Lt. Brian Purvis said, "This was a volatile situation that could have gotten worse. We can only assume from what we saw it could have gotten worse. He was definitely in the right place at the right time."

When are you moving to Salt Lake City - not a moment to spare...

You may become famous as the "Guy who can stare down a Ginsu"

What a twerp you are honeygal. smarmy twerp.

Hard to tell what you mean, due to your spelling challenges, but above you said anyone who did a certain thing was a tool, now you're into name-calling. What's next - last one to put their finger on their nose is "IT?"

A language nazi too huh honeygal?

Nazi is certainly too strong of a word. I just think people on here should retain the skills they were supposed to have to graduate from elementary school - or are you still looking forward to that day?

No not too strong. You seem to miss the fact that sometimes people are not using a full size keyboard or monitor when they post. See today people can use all sorts of devices to do this. Some have small keys and screens and some have fumbly fingers.
Stop being an ass.

Nice smoke screen. I'll just use 2 of your examples:

"There" instead of "Their" - not a "small keyboard" mistake.

"Form" instead of "From" - relatively common mistake, but same as above - not due to a small keyboard.

What's the next excuse?

There is no mention of this guy actually doing anything illegal. If he owns those guns legally then it is he said she said.

He called his boss twice and threatened him...

Arresting people for pre-crime is a bad precedence. All they can charge him with is making threats. It is still he said she said. This media blasting it out is a load of crap.

Granted, individuals are entitled to own firearms, but here is what this whack-job had in his apartment:

Authorities detailed the weaponry in Prescott's home in their search warrant:
•4 30-round magazines
•2 shotguns
•1 Beretta .40-cal handgun
•1 Ruger .45-cal handgun
•2 KAHR 9mm handguns
•1 Beretta 9mm handgun
•2 Sig Sauer P226 handguns
•1 Browning Arms handgun
•2 Mauser rifles
•1 FN Herstal rifle
•1 Ruger 357 handgun
•1 Night scope
•100 rounds 12 remington
•40 large steel boxes of ammo of various calibers

Not to be outdone, he was wearing quite a classy T-shirt when they entered the apartment: Guns Don't Kill People - I Do

Just in case you were uninformed, there is no PAUSE button on real life - once he pulls the trigger it is too late. Perhaps you should have been the one to tell him he was fired...

What a small collection! And a few thousand rounds is an afternoon of fun for the entire family.

It is not illegal to own all those guns. What if he is a collector? I understand you like to think you are on the moral high ground but this guy does not yet deserve to have his life smeared all over the press.

So we should just wait and see what this guys does and then react? I am sure that would go over real well when he kills ur family..

Go do your spelling homework - start with Screen Names until you get them all right.

I guess you have a sign that says THIS HOME IS FULL OF WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION. Won't do you much good with a well-placed lightning strike...

The Langwage Nazi is in da housse

Stay under the bridge where you belong.

While I don't prefer it, I can really hold my own in an a**hole contest - The Dude is Rude

Come on, Jack. There's no revenue to be had in recovering your stolen guns. In fact, it would take officers away from their normal revenue generating duties to prosecute such a thing. What was it you said they arrested him for, selling drugs? Due to drug forfeiture laws, that's a money maker. See the difference?

Did they find any of your guns when they arrested him on unrelated charges? Any gun not required for evidence would have to be collected, inventoried, and a search for the rightful owner would need to be conducted. That's unprofitable, laborious, and could lead to a net increase of guns in the state. Sounds like bad business to me and I wouldn't be surprised if a solution was found that avoided all that red tape and kept your guns off the street (for now anyway).