I purchased one on jan 7 and I'm still waiting.

Who knows which person is a law abiding citizen? Do you?

Jarod Loughner was a "law abiding" citizen right up until the time he pulled the trigger. Same with James Holmes and Adam Lanza and Dorner.

W. L. - in this context I think Neil B is referring to the people who follow the legal process to obtain a gun as being a "law abiding citizen". There are already a series of laws in place to regulate gun purchases that are already more restrictive than most other states. Creating new laws, new registration processes and other limiting factors are likely not to deter a criminal, they already thumb their nose at the law - in a way creating more laws will likely only burden the law abiders.

Interesting choice Steve. All also had mental problems.

Also, it should be noted that Lanza was not a "law abiding citizen up until he pulled the trigger", as he stole his mother's guns and killed her and the others with them.

Check backgrounds for mental illness. Problem solved.

Don't allow them to self report it. The craziest people around here don't realize they are crazy.

You got that right, Stanker Steve. You haven't a clue how crazy you are.

Wait a minute, she went to Maryland to have an abortion at 8 months along? She deserved to die at that point. Not shame on Maryland..she got what she deserved.

Excellent point!

"Four days prior to her death, McKenna-Morbelli visited a Germantown, Md., abortion clinic to begin a several-day procedure to terminate her 33-week pregnancy after discovering her unborn child had developed fetal abnormalities."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/jennifer-mckenna-morbelli_n_2671375.html

I love people who wish death on others without all of the facts. That is normal for Josephine. You others wish to judge people without being in their shoes? Wait for all of the facts.

@FIFA - not sure of your point as all this information was known when I posted. Tragic that this woman made the choice that she did and that there's a system that allows for the life of the unborn to be so callously treated. Tragic that our governor and president will tout the rights of women and surround themselves with children when signing gun legislation while remaining silent on this issue. This is the same thinking that wants to remove our second amendment rights as well. It's all about control.

Amy, I thought my point was clear, you did not post all of the information that was available as you left off the fact that this woman's baby had "fetal abnormalities" and this was the reason for her decision. We don't know what those abnormalities were and you did not post that fact. I found and posted the additional information.

Then you have two posters after you who believe she "deserved to die". Sick.

Could you post the contact info for this class. I would like to sign up for that myself. Thanks.

What are you looking for regarding inheritance? I think the long and short of it is this, if you inherit it from someone who owned it legally, you now own it, legally.

From the new firearm legislation, the only thing that changed is the structure of the old law, changing from assault pistol to assault weapon. So the inheritance rules are fundamentally unchanged.

"Exceptions: Section 4-302:
21 (5) the receipt of an assault [pistol] WEAPON or detachable magazine
22 by inheritance if the decedent lawfully possessed the assault [pistol] WEAPON; or
23 (6) the receipt of an assault [pistol] WEAPON or detachable magazine
24 by a personal representative of an estate for purposes of exercising the powers and
25 duties of a personal representative of an estate."

Thank You Bad Statistics...What I thought..no check..no wait..no training requirement..
Any individual can inherit any perceived legal weapon...
Wonder if there are inherited weapon statistics..?

You can go to the state police web site and find the information you need.

Everyone agrees, its MUCH easier to illegally obtain a gun than it is to legally obtain one. Creating new laws to further regulate gun purchasing and ownership will not slow down a criminal.

That is already illegal Steve! And not done.

Steve, your sarcastic comments are often unnecessary and sometimes rude but in this case you have finally made a valid and worthy point that I can even agree with which we know seldom happens. While I totally support requiring legal gun purchases at gun shows to follow the same procedures as purchases in stores, unfortunately as you implied, "buying one cash and carry in the parking lot" is no different than the drug dealer or gang banger buying one off the street and no matter how many bills they pass in the General Assembly or Congress, there is no new gun law that will prevent that from happening.

Do away with gun shows. Thats how you eliminate it. There is more crap sold at gun shows than guns anyway

Md you will not. Background checks all around at gun shows. If someone sells a regulated gun ie. handgun at a show without the background check they are looking at years in prison.

"That is already illegal Steve! And not done."

Did you type that with a straight face?

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/2-men-arrested-during-gun-show-at-Timonium-Fairgrounds/-/10136486/18155012/-/wklg1o/-/index.html

Parking lot !!that is against the Law already,those type of deals must be done at a State police Barracks for handguns

Steve you go to lots of gun shows do you?

I think Captain Cook was referring to semi auto rifles (the ones that so much legislation is centering around) and blunt objects, not specifically hammers. The stats are here:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0310.pdf

Assuming that every rifle used in a murder was semi auto (probably not true, but lets say it was) than blunt objects were responsible for more murders than semi auto rifles.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-9

It seems firearms overall though are still responsible for more murders, at least in 2011.

Corbin - but the ones that Maryland is attempting to ban were used the least. Seems backwards to specifically go after the weapon that is used the least.....

Arizona did not ban Gun Shows - where do you come up with this stuff?

I didn't say all of Arizona. I just said Tucson.

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/020513_gun_shows/council-no-tcc-gun-shows-without-background-checks/

Uhh "The Tucson City Council moved Tuesday toward a ban on gun sales on municipal property without background checks" - that's a lot different than Tucson has banned gun shows. They are talking about banning them at municipal buildings unless background checks are performed.

Right to assemble? Another violation? Libs just hate America.

The Tucson gun show ban passed 2 weeks ago.

So no more gunshows are allowed in Tuscon? (that would be the implication of a ban) And this is at any building and includes shows where background checks are performed?

You don't lie, you make semi factual statements leaving out important details an in an effort to prove your point. You said "the Tucson gun show ban passed" when in reality a ban for gunshows without background checks was banned in ONE BUILDING. With checks, its still ok there, and without checks its still ok at any other building in Tucson.

Do you actually believe the crap you spew?

Look at my other post. They banned them in PG County. You can hold gun shows outside the city limits in Tucson just not in the city proper.

Ft. Lauderdale is cracking down on there gun shows too. There are not banning them but they are cracking down on the gun bizarres in the parking lots. (and no open carry)

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/broward/fl-gun-show-20130208,0,4103431.story?track=rss

Steve do you read the stuff you post? You can hold them in Tucson, they were only barred from the Tucson Convention Center and ONLY if background checks are not used. The rest of the city is ok, and the Tucson Convention Center is ok if background checks are used.

Do you just repost headlines? Listening to you is like listening to the intro/outro's for the evening news where they give you one sensationalized statement that does not accurately reflect reality.

Also I am sure I am in the minority of the "Nutters" you seem to love when I say things like this but it seems to be simple common sense to require a simple few second NICS background check to purchase a gun. You would think our legislators would be pushing for simple effective common sense laws like this, not banning a gun due to cosmetics or because it was used in a single crime.

Do you know anything about Tucson? Gun Shows need mass to be profitable. Where else in Tucson can one be held that is big enough to be profitable? The only other place is U. of A. and they aren't going to allow it.

You are really reaching to defend the misleading statement "Even the Gun Nutter Capital of the world, Tucson, Arizona has banned them".

A more factual statement would be a new regulation requiring background checks was imposed for gun shows at the Tuscon Convention Center. I guess you could simplify that to "Tucson, Arizona has banned them"

If a Maryland citizen were to do what was listed in the article they would be breaking the law, existing law. No one is disputing you on the fact that someone who lives with no regard for the law can illegally obtain guns. More laws wont make it harder for the lawbreaker to continue to illegally buy guns, they will keep breaking the law to do so be it on a street corner or the parking lot of a gun show.

I think Captain Cook was referring to semi auto rifles (the ones that so much legislation is centering around) and blunt objects, not specifically hammers. The stats are here:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0310.pdf

Assuming that every rifle used in a murder was semi auto (probably not true, but lets say it was) than blunt objects were responsible for more murders than semi auto rifles.

The Government isn't buying ammo to deplete the market. That's Gun Nutter Myth #7.

Then why are they?

CP, to replace what they are using and have used?

That is just a phony e-mail the Nutters keep sending back in forth to get themselves all lathered up. Even the NRA says it's bogus.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/federal-law-enforcement-agencies-buy-ammunition.aspx?s=DHS+purchase&st=&ps=

It's joeBlob's modus to still keep repeating the myths even when he knows they are untrue.

Poor Steve. You jumped into the shark tank Steve. Steve may I give you a little advise? If you are going to debate with Legal gun owners around this nation you really need to know what you are talking about. Most of these guys know their stuff about guns and the laws around them.

That link is straight from the NRA itself.

Most of these Gun Nutters don't know the law or their stuff. They rely on viral e-mails and other propaganda from the various gun nut groups. I doubt if very many of them have even read the Constitution but yet they all think they are 'experts".

But why is an Executive Order needed to do so? And why 450 million rounds?

There wan't any Executive Order. The Gun Nutters made that up to get the sheeple bleating.

Executive Order 13603.

Schawing ! and a miss. Try again.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-03-22/pdf/2012-7019.pdf

Seriously, you gotta read those Gun Nutter forums with a grain of salt.

The Nagger Steve mixes opinion and facts and cannot differentiate between the two.

Can anyone here who seems to live in the state of denial, offer another reasonable reason for the worst ammunition shortage in over 60 years?

I gave you a link JoeBlob. It's more than you do with your CopyPasta Spam.

That is not entirely true, a firearm can not be released by an FFL without NICS verification. There is no way to know if NICS passed until you hear back from the MSP. Therefore, you must wait until you hear from MSP.

Stories like these are making there way into national media more every day. For some time there was no mention of these things but now it seems to be changing. About time to. Lib's just hate when the truth comes out. Maybe this is why O'Malley is pushing for a quick vote on the Anti gun nut bill. All I can say is if they vote for it vote against the ones who do in the next election.

Man buys kitchen knives and stabs family!!!!! So what? If not a gun than a knife, baseball bat etc etc

Steve:

This is an undeniable and preventable tragedy.

However, you have made a substantial misrepresentation by characterizing the tragedy as a Murder. The father has been charged with Manslaughter, not Murder.

jnrentz1 - it appears that's all Steve does. He must write all those evening news intros/outros that try and hook you in by sensationalizing a story. Technically manslaughter is murder, so he did not lie - but he did mislead..... he seems to do that a lot. He is like a professional Internet Troll, hilarious......

Do you spend your entire day looking for these kinds of stories Steve? If so you are wasting your time because they prove absolutely nothing.

It's an extremely sad story but it's the same thing your president and your governor are trying to do: use a tragedy to push for gun control which would not have even stopped that tragedy in the first place.

See Stanker Steve? Everyone knows your stupid little game. They knew it back in 2011 and they know it now.

Watch the Reality Check video on this link..^

LOL World Nut Drooly. Do you actually read that rag?

I'll be first for you Jason. JoeBlob is the nickname now attached to Sanchez, his previous screen name was Joe. Joe was banned by the Patch for his language and his copy pasta activities. Of course Joe just got another email account and created his new name Sanchez. He regularly copies other people's post without attribution and suggests they are his own thoughts. Better known as theft. Those of us who know him call him JoeBlob, in recognition of copy pasta and theft.

So I have walked into an ongoing feud, lol - time for me to duck out!

Have fun fighting everyone, hopefully one day people will see more than red or blue and learn to compromise on sensible things not degenerate to calling one side "Gun Nutterz" and the other "gun hating libs"

yup.

JasonB:

You have made an excellent comment and observation. Much of the "discussion" that goes on in Patch is simply one side trying to denigrate, and insult the other side.

BTW gentlemen, Fido has been proven to be a trembling, filthy little mutt for some time now. An insult to good dogs everywhere. LOL

Steve:

What is stupid about: "clinging to Guns and Religion?"

Ah, Stanker Steve. The proven pathologically lying malignant narcissist in all his glory. Don't believe a word this teenager living in Mom's basement says.

Steve, What is it that is stupid about "clinging to Guns and Religion?"
This once great nation of ours was founded on Religion and our Guns.
You seem to be the one filled with stupidity.

Patrick, a gun is designed to kill. A car is designed for transportation. When a gun performs as designed it is intentional, with a car it is called an accident.

FIFA:

You made a good observation. For clarity, we now call "automobile accidents", "automobile crashes" (or collisions)

What is also interesting is that there are more guns than cars in America, and yet, more people are killed on America's highways, and roads, than killed by guns.

jnrentz1, trying to compare car trips that result in deaths with guns is a straw man argument. The two are not related in any way except you attempt to connect "deaths". Do better than that please, progressives are not fools. More people die from heart attacks than car accidents, so what is that correlation. Please don't insult my intelligence, you suggest people should give up their hearts. Absurd, of course.

They NRA is going to have to kill their stupid talking point comparing car deaths with firearm deaths in about another year or two.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html

In the case of road rage ...which is ever increasing, the car is a weapon...a gun that is used for sport target shooting is safer than driving on any beltway while abiding by the traffic laws... doesn't matter though...guns are here to stay...one way or the other...cars too..

FIFA:

It is not a straw man argument.

You cited two instrumentalites common in America, the automoble and the gun. I simply followed up with some truthful information that has validity.

jnrentz1, I generally despise referencing wikipedia on anything, but they give a decent description of a "straw man" argument. You sole correlation between automobiles and weapons is deaths. So what? It is a ludicrous and silly argument. Automobile deaths for the most part are accidents and gun deaths for the most part are intentional events. It is a silly argument and I hope you can do better. Stick to your second amendment argument, it has much more merit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

FIFA:

I believe that my comparison between fatal car crashes and gun deaths has validity. I do not despise a source because I may disagree with it, be the source, The Associated Press, World News Daily, Mother Jones, the NRA, the Bloomberg News, Liberty University, The Washington Post, the University of California at Berkley, or Wikipedia.

I am not against Gun Control, but I am against a scheme that demonizes, vilifies, and makes into criminals thousands of otherwise law abiding Americans.

I hope that some of the readers contributing to this discussion can stop, or at least lessen the personal attacks, and name calling.

Thank you.

jnrentz1 - you make what is a seemingly logical argument, but I disagree. But presuming your argument has merit, which is that both guns and autos can be dangerous, I presume you would agree then that the very strict regulations that we apply to autos and driving be applied to gun owners? You probably disagree.

When a Lib enters a car high on shwag it becomes a lethal weapon.

FIFA:

What did you have in mind regarding strict regulations?

To name a few ideas:

I think gun owners should have safes or other mechanisms to keep their weapons safe from misuse and theft.

I think anyone with guns in the home should have a home alarm system.

I think anyone who carries a gun should have liability insurance.

I think all gun owners should keep their weapons clean, and in a safe mode.

I think a gun owner should keep ammo and the weapon separate.

jnrentz1, here is a long list from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gavin-magrath/gun-control-debate_b_2389047.html

-licensing with written and practical tests;
-frequent renewal including updated photo and medical questionnaire;
-specialty licensing and training for specialty products;
-product registration and mandatory liability insurance policy;
-effective enforcement of product safety and use regulations;
-key locks and other anti-theft devices;
-manufacturer-funded safety research;
-adoption by manufacturers of identified best safety features in spite of additional cost;
-industry or publicly funded awareness and safety campaigns; and
-restriction of high-performance, unsafe products to private courses/ranges.

Please note the following caveat. I do not subscribe to your argument linking the two together. Please also note, that I do not for a single moment believe any of the above will have a significant impact on reducing gun deaths. I do believe the above has had a significant impact on automobile deaths.

I am of the mind, until magazine loaded weapons are banned in this country, nothing wil significantly change. So I am not a supporter of additional gun control laws as they will prove ineffective as they cannot be enforced from state to state.

Mr. Andrade, you are much too reasonable to be posting on a Patch article about guns, gun crimes, gun laws, etc. I would suggest you run like heck before the attacks start.

Exactly. Catch and release is for fish, not criminals.

Start with the fact that less than two percent of gun crimes involve the so called "Assault Weapons".

The guns are not the problem. It is the people who want to use them with evil intent that are the problem.

I find it highly unlikely that an addict like that could just let go cold turkey.

That wasn't very nice, Tim. I only belittle those that deserve it. I don't remember ever having an issue with you.

Did you just squeak something out, you filthy little poodle? Fido the idiot mutt must have a furball. LMAO

Maybe Mom went down to the basement and caught Stanker Frank in the act. LOL

You are a nut, Stanker Steve. Welcome to the asylum.

Keep weeping, Stanker Steve. It's really fun to watch.

LMAO...what a blithering idiot.

Sorry Beeker said it was his Editor Ron Cassie. Boycott Baltimore Magazine!

Journalistic Idiots!

Did you hit your head there, Stanker Steve? You're just spewing out gibberish. Get on up so you can get laid out again. LMAO

Oh, and filthy rich. LMAO

Watch out, she's gonna blow! Stanker Steve just gets crazier and crazier.