Arbitrator: Same-Sex Couples Entitled to County Benefits
County officials are reviewing an arbitration decision on a police union case.
Baltimore County officials are reviewing their options after an arbitrator ruled Tuesday that members of the county police union who were married in same-sex ceremonies are entitled to county benefits.
Don Mohler, a county spokesman, said county attorneys are reviewing the decision, which they received Tuesday.
"The issue for us is complying with state requirements," Mohler said. "The state hasn't taken a clear position."
The union went to arbitration in September after two employees were denied county benefits for their same-sex spouses after marriage ceremonies outside of Maryland.
The ruling, sent to the county and the police union Tuesday, says the county must provide health care, bereavement and other benefits contained in the union contract equally to same-sex and heterosexual couples.
"We're pleased with the arbitrator's decision in this case," said Cole Weston, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 4, the union that represents officers in the department.
The benefits in the contract should "apply to all of our members equally," Weston said.
The issue is complicated by the fact that the state has not been clear on how to handle the issue, Mohler said.
Currently, same-sex marriage cannot be legally performed in Maryland. An attempt in the General Assembly this year to legalize same-sex marriages in Maryland failed.
The state doesn't officially recognize marriages performed in states where it is legal.
Last year, Attorney General Douglas Gansler issued an opinion saying that state courts would likely recognize such marriages—if such a case were filed.
"While the matter is not free from all doubt, in our view, the court is likely to respect the law of other states and recognize a same-sex marriage contracted validly in another jurisdiction," the opinion states. "In light of Maryland’s developing public policy concerning intimate same-sex relationships, the court would not readily invoke the public policy exception to the usual rule of recognition."
Mohler said there's no timeline on when the county will decide if it can and will challenge the ruling.
"It just happened," Mohler said. "We just got it today."
CAW21227
5:23 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
I agree, let people live as they want, but don't ask the county taxpayers to foot the bill for the signicant other.
I feel the same way about abortion, I don't care who has an abortion just don't ask me to help fund it. It should be your choice, your money.
John
7:07 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
So, continue to treat people as second class citizens. It's bad enough that same sex couples are taxed on benefits as income. That is not the case for other married couples. That benefit that you don't want to pay for in turn creates more money collected in the form of taxes.
Carole Miller
8:25 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Great Comment !
Steve Michalek
8:09 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
I also hear there's a new invention called ... "the wheel". You should try it sometime. It really helps around the cave.
Mark Patro
8:46 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
How about if as a gay man without children I don't want to pay for your children to go to school. Sometimes what we do as a community benefits the community more than it has a positive or negative impact on the individual. (And no, I'm not a Socialist, before you go there.)
Tim
8:59 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
CAW21227: I do agree with you on abortions. Although, I'd be open to exceptions in cases of rape.
steve James
10:26 pm on Monday, November 28, 2011
as long as you dont ask me to foot the bill for the married str8s. thats what equality is all about.
Richard Cook
5:27 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
"Computer Techy" may I let you in on something? Thanks. It is against "the natural laws of the universe" to upload anonymous posts. At least, that is what I believe. And since I believe this, you must abide by my beliefs.
dsoli
5:42 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
CAW21227, are you saying same-sex couples should have to purchase private insurance? How about your safety, your problem?
steve James
10:24 pm on Monday, November 28, 2011
there is a solution to the marriage issue.
Absolutely no special rights for married couples or gay couples. Includes eg companies and govts paying benefits for the spouses etc.
Let the conserfvfative screaming begin
Robert Armstrong
5:57 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
My Church doesn't have a position on it one way or the other.
http://www.venganza.org/about/
PastorLorenzo Epps
6:08 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
constitution....separation of church and state....if people believe same sex is wrong because of the bible etc...that's fine....but there is a separation of church and state....same sex are allowed to marry...and they should receive the benefits...you don't have to like it.....move on!
Pam
6:34 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Love your response..I only wish our Government would learn the same rule..I started to write all the reasons why if two people love each other why shouldn't they get married, but you said it better.....
Jerry Huster
6:42 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
I agree with you on this...we are always taught about the separation of church and state, yet it's rarely practiced because of the humans that feel compelled to use their personal opinions while in office instead of just following the letter of the law and keeping their opinions out of it.
John
7:08 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Well said!
Carole Miller
8:30 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Lets review what Separation of Church and State really means .
Tim
9:16 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Pastor: Exactly.
June Horner
7:19 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Thank you PastorLorenzo Epps. This is what it all boils down to... in a nutshell !
Separation of Church and State. Recognizing that marriage RIGHTS are not the same thing as Marriage RITES. Married or domestic-partnered same-sex couples should be treated equally under the law and afforded all those benefits & protections afforded other couples.
rick j
7:45 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
The only question I have is do they go through the same divorce procedures?A couple of years ago on CNN there was a couple and their belief was they could just split and not have to file for divorce.Is this correct?
Mark Patro
7:52 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Marriage Equality means legal equality. I am not a lawyer but my understanding of Maryland law, and the law of any other state that grants "marriage" would require an act of law (divorce is an act of law) to undo it.
Mark Patro
7:45 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
This RELIGIOUS conversation is completely unnecessary. As people of faith in the Jewish and Christian traditions we should support equality, inclusion and dignity for everyone, including sexual minorities BECAUSE of our religious traditions, not despite them. Jay Michaelson argues in his book, GAY vs. GOD which Christian and Jewish traditions argue IN FAVOR of what we have come to call “gay rights.” Yes there are a few passages in the Bible which say something ambiguous at best about same-sex interactions while there are HUNDREDS of other verses which speak to and teach us about the importance of love, justice and sacred relationships. Yes same-sex couples have sacred relationships too. This is the way I live my life as a gay Christian man. It’s time for Christians who continuously bash LGBT people to move on and study the love, justice and sacred relationship passages.
Josh Glikin
8:39 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Love one another as God loves you. That is the message of the New Testament.
Tim
8:49 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Wow, the post monster ate Pastor Epps comments (and others). Wonder what that's all about?
I doubt Emily or someone else deleted them, because she'll post that she did.
Mark Patro
8:59 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
I deleted my own comment, edited it and reposted it. You just have to skip down a few posts to read it: "This RELIGIOUS conversation..."
Steve Michalek
9:00 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Maybe it was God?
hmj
9:26 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Liberals on this site must support Warren Jeffs as well. Why stop at just one spouse ? What about equality for the polygamist. And they must support Sandusky too. Need to protect his life style choice ? Don't want to make a judgement about his behavior ?
Mark Patro
9:45 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Marriage Equality is not liberal or conservative issue? There are many couples from all political philosophies: liberal, conservative, progressive and regressive that want to get married. All of these binary relationships deserve the same legal protections and respect regardless of political beliefs. The connection between two things that you dislike is imaginary, illogical and does not make them same.
hmj
10:39 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Marriage equality is very much a far left movement. Sure you can find a few examples to the contrary, but the liberals push the matter and try to force political leaders against the wall to support it. Polygamists are pushing the equality now. So LGBT - P groups will continue and the men like Sandusky will claim to be misunderstood victims of intolerance as well.
Mark Patro
10:48 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Marriage Equality is a civil rights movement that has tried to involve the left right and centrists. Even though there are conservatives in the LGBT community "The Right" has refused (for the most part) to participate.
Tim
11:42 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
HMJ: Most "liberals" consider me a conservative. I don't really fit into a mold, because I use my intellect to analyze issues, and don't allow institutions to do my thinking for me.
There's this universal belief though that conservative = religious, and conservatives can't have progressive views on some things.
I do love how you just decide to extrapolate the "movement" further by taking it to polygamists though. I'd just say this - if they ever legalized polygamy (and I'm not a supporter of it) I'd never support benefits for more then one of the wives.
Gomer Pyle
12:37 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
hmj - Agree with you 100%
steve James
10:22 pm on Monday, November 28, 2011
Interesting how gomer Pyle objects to gays being treated equally. His name says it all.
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A DUH.
And for someone who said the county shouldnt pay for benefits for gays - well that fine as long as they dont pay for bennies for married str8s
So much of the antis are just parroting the right wing churches.
Who have always hated someone = blacks, Jews, and now gays. Wonderful, isnt it.
Graham
9:59 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
I am very glad for same sex couples in getting H&W plans. I have a female partner and when I tried to put her onto my H&W plan, I got laughed at, no lie, The person to whom I was speaking said that if we were of the same sex, no problem, we laughed and finished up. This was with the state H&W. Everything is not for every body. Although not fair.
Mark Patro
10:08 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
So let me try to understand your comment. Are you saying that “we” should just leave things the way they are? That people who are excluded based on the way things are should just quietly accept that the civil right that a majority enjoys is not for the minority and that it is just the way it is and that the minority should not try to change that inequality?
Christie Pulvino
10:04 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
It amazes me people still want to deny human beings equal rights. I believe consenting adults should be able to marry if they choose to do so, who does it hurt? Life's short, allow people the right to be happy and care for their significant other.
June Horner
10:11 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Thank you Christie... My sentiments exactly.
chsmm1
11:01 am on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Let gays marry and let them go through the same heck and the all legal hassles that hetro's and their kids go through when they divorce. then we should do a study 10 years later and see how they like marriage then.
CKnick
1:26 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
I find it very interesting that the majority of people against "same sex" rights (human rights as far as I am concerned) use christianity and the bible as an excuse to discriminate against others. I understand that christianity is a very powerful religion, as I was raised in a Catholic household, but I don't understand why people have made the decision to stop growing and learning. Times change and we grow as people mentally and spiritually. Isn't that why we are here? As a gay man, I had to realize that God made me the way I am and that I was not going to burn in hell as the priests and nuns so kindly told me in grade school (thanks Sister Doris - 5 years of therapy lol).
One more thing, as we start to celebrate Thanksgiving, please remember that the Pilgrims came to America to escape religious persecution and to worship God as they saw fit. I can't think of anything that is more contrary to Thanksgiving than using your religious views to "persecute" others.
CKnick
1:56 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Gomer Pyle: Are you four?
Pam
1:37 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
I dont want any more updates
Stevie
1:47 pm on Wednesday, November 23, 2011
Whats great is that eventually, same-sex partners will have equal protection under the law. It's the American way, and we are protected under the constitution. I enjoy watching the religious right and Tea partiers b*tch and moan..... it feels great to just sit back and watch the democratic process at work. There is no stopping it--the US will never again be a country with second-class citizens. I have a huge smile on my face right now. Go ahead--spin your wheels! Gays pay taxes ERGO we WILL have complete equal rights!! Mwahhh haahh ahhaahhaahhahahaha!!!!
Gomer Pyle
10:21 am on Monday, November 28, 2011
So where does it end? Do you allow polygamists the same rights? Are people going to be allowed to marry their pets? After all they pay taxes as well.
Steve Michalek
9:06 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Did your God fail you?