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Vandals Strike Out at Speed Cameras

Attacks didn't disrupt routine operations, police say.

 

Speed cameras are good at nailing motorists exceeding the speed limit in Baltimore County school zones, but not so effective in helping catch vandals.

Two of the county's 15 speed cameras have been vandalized since the program to monitor speeds in school zones began nearly a year ago, according to Lt. Robert McCullough, a police spokesman.

In both cases, police have not made an arrest and are asking for tips that could lead them to the vandals. 

In one incident, someone spray painted the camera located in the 7400 block of North Point Road near Sparrows Point High School. The camera issued 462 tickets through Nov. 30, ranking 14th out of 15 cameras in the county, according to statistics released earlier this year.

Another camera, located in the 9800 block of Greenside Drive near Padonia Elementary School, had the protective cover over its lens cracked. The camera issued more than 6,200 tickets through Nov. 30, tops among all 15 units, according to those same statistics.

McCullough said he was not able to immediately provide information on when the cameras were damaged or how the vandalism was first discovered. That information might be available later this week, he said.

Both units were repaired at the expense of ACS State and Local Solutions, which owns the units, McCullough said.

Baltimore County rents each of the units from ACS State and Local Solutions for about $11,995 per camera per month.

McCullough, in an e-mail, wrote that "the damage did not interfere with our routine operations."

The two county units are not the only ones to feel the wrath of vandals.

The Frederick News-Post reported Tuesday that one of its two school zone cameras was damaged in the early morning hours of June 11.

Police are asking anyone with information to call 410-307-2020.

Elizabeth

9:34 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

You got to be kidding me. $11,995 per month per camera! Ok, this is a money making scheme. The cameras have to give out at least that much money a month to break even. Good for you whoever is spray-painting the cameras. Its against privacy. I would feel better if actual policemen were giving the tickets. It would cost less and at least it gives citizens an accurate ticket. Giving tickets to unknown drivers is ridiculous. I think everyone should buy the photo-block spray for their license plates. Yes, I think speeding in a school zone if bad, but only during school hours.

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Mark W.

12:08 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

The county only gets EIGHT (8) dollars of every FORTY (40) dollar ticket.....do that math!

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Louis Gephardt

1:18 pm on Thursday, June 16, 2011

$2.16 million dollars a year.... and people have to wonder why their taxes are ridiculous....

Mike Lurz

9:54 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

Not at all surprising, people are sick of government over reaching in their authority, invasions and money grabbing, I am surprised it took this long.

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SCOTT POE

10:07 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

Can any one say, SPEED TRAP, the reason for the cameras, is to free up the police to better inforce the laws, try getting a police to come in a reasonable time, when you call the police in the North Eastern District of Baltimore City. I don't condone vandalism, but someone is doing, what we all wish we could do, to those cameras.

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Neversure

10:26 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

My common sense says - Oh, no! Vandalism is not good. My emotion says - YESSSSS. That camera on Greenside has snagged people in my extended family 5 or more times in the past year, their speeds were never more than 38, and it was never during school hours. That one is a real trap - very wide street, very little traffic.
But, almost 12K per month upkeep? Something just doesn't smell right.

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Gil

10:32 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

$11 grand a month to rent does seem to be a tad expensive but I understand they take excellent pictures, not a bit of blur, even at high speed!

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Mark W.

12:03 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

Gil - are you kidding me? it is closer to $12k a month and whether it is a clear picture or not these cameras are an extension of BIG government and BIG brother into our lives. The county is losing money and accidents are not decreasing the only winners are ACS.

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Mike Lurz

4:06 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

I'll sit there and snap pics for 10 grand a month, just doing my part

M. Sullivan

10:39 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

Great news! These cameras are just another money grabbing opportunity by the county. Their own studies have shown that these cameras have no effect on the number of accidents. So, why have them? Just another source for easy revenue generation. I normally am against vandalism, but I hope it continues to the point that it is no longer profitable for ACS to keep fixing them. Sounds like a good opportunity for someone to get some paintball target practice.

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Tim

10:53 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

All these tears from law breakers crying "overreaching".

Although I agree with some others, 12k per camera per month? Come on now.

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Julee

11:12 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

I had no idea it cost the County that much per month to rent those things...now I hate them even more!

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Mark W.

12:07 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

Let's us not forget the county salaries of the police officers assigned to write off on each ticket, the salaries of the office of budget and finance to prepare and track the payment. I think Bryan Sears reported on exactly how much it costs per month to operate the cameras but the 12K is JUST the camera, it doesn't include operating them.

Christina

11:16 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

Ok so i think speed camera's are fine cause this is how i feel... if your not speeding what do you have to worry about... but i do care about 12.000 a month... i bet they could hire a few more police officers pay them to sit there and give tickets and still save money then a few more americans will have jobs....

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Stephen

11:23 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

HI ASTRO turf posters from the scamera side. (read hear on ACS astro turf: http://www.stopbigbrothermd.org/2011/02/speed-camera-contractor-created.html )

Tell you what I will lay out a challange. Lets just see how much the public "supports" this. LET THE PUBLIC VOTE!

Oh I forgot, you dont' want a vote!

Fight the SCAM!

Ban the CAMS!

www.motorists.org
www.banthecams.org
www.camerafraud.com
www.bhspi.org

also read more on the Big MD school zone scam: http://www.stopbigbrothermd.org/search/label/Fake%20School%20Zones

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Stephen

11:25 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

I wonder how silly string would work, just a passing thougth!

I hear AZ citizens did that to battle speed scamera over there!

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Gil

11:52 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

I'm going to put a burka on my tag for religious reasons. Just a small slit so only the stickers are readable.

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Edward

11:54 am on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

Vandelism is not good but neuther is Big Brother's hand in your pocket either!!! Paint away!!!!!! this hasn't stopped the cops on patrol on Merritt Blvd. Ticket heaven for them! It's all about the money. Take the money we spent on each camera and hire another policeman or three! money better spent there. Wise up Big Brother.

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George V. Edwards

2:36 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

12k for a camera? Unacceptable but beleivable. Nowadays 3k will only but you a half decent Nikon. A special camera like that could easily cost 12k. I bet the pole in the concrete costs a pretty penny too! And what about the hookup technology? I bet 12k is just the tip of the iceberg. I bet it costs more to operate than it makes. "462 tickets since Nov 30." What is the time period? Since it started? When was that?
"Big Brother is watching you" wrote George Orwell in 1984. It was only science fiction. It could never happen here.

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Gil

3:08 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

$12,000 sounds big until you factor in that there are 15 of them in Baltimore County.

How does $180,000 a month grab you?

At $40 per citation the break even is 4,500 speeders caught, 300 per camera average each month.

Now the question is, do they "adjust the sensitivity" on a location that is not covering the nut? If you catch my drift!

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Mark W.

5:01 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

@Gil - Baltimore county only keeps 8 dollars of every 40 dollar citation....the rest goes to ACS (the camera vendor)
@George V. - most cameras were installed by fall of 2009

Gil

3:46 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

My peeve is the "Work Zone Speed Cameras" I got a love letter with a lovely picture on my vehicle going 62 MPH on I-95 along with the $40 fine. The posted speed limit on 95 where this took place is 55MPH. It is that section of I-95 past 695 but prior to the 895 - 95 split headed for the tunnels. There is a sign posted that states the work zone speed limit is 50MPH advising motorists that they could be passing through a work zone photo speed enforcement area.

I respect the fact that the speed should be reduced when people are working but the time of my violation was early Sunday morning without any workers in the area!

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Mark W.

5:03 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

I love when I see the cameras out at 2am or on a Sunday afternoon it is a great use of money....whoops i mean it is a great SOURCE of money.

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Bobby Heart

5:23 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

Didn't Councilman Marks campaign AGAINST speed cameras but vote FOR them at the county level?

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Jeffrey Smith

11:09 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

No ... he voted against them when the bill to expand their use came before the Council. He was one of the two "no" votes.

white iphone gal

10:22 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

I would sit there and snap photos for 12k a month

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Sean Tully

11:28 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

The destruction of the county property is not only criminal, it is, in my opinion, un-American. In this country, we don't resort to violence or destruction of property. If we think the cameras represent speed traps or a waste of tax payer money, we elect representatives who will change the laws. When people react to government they don't like with destruction and violence, the rule of law breaks down, and, if there is anything "exceptional" about America, it is that we manage to live by the rule of law year in and year out. Also, the destruction of these cameras is a violation against those who support such measures. What? Don't they get a voice in how they want their government to act?

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Neversure

11:43 pm on Wednesday, June 15, 2011

Sean, of course, you are absolutely right. On a small scale, the destruction of these things is vandalism. On a large scale, it's anarchy. Anarchy isn't good for anybody. The way to get rid of these things is to exercise our right to vote.

Jocko

12:11 am on Thursday, June 16, 2011

Destruction of property in opposition to unjust things is VERY American.

One need look no further than the actions of the Sons of Liberty at the Boston Tea Party in 1773, or for you liberal types out there, the Catonsville Nine's burning of draft records in 1968.

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Sean Tully

12:17 am on Thursday, June 16, 2011

1773 was before the United States was a country with a strong Constitution. The Catonsville 9, or at least some of them, served time. Are you suggesting these vandals who destroyed the cameras will or are even willing to serve time for their convictions?

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Sean Tully

12:19 am on Thursday, June 16, 2011

p.s. The Boston Tea Party was a revolt against the King of England and not against laws passed by a representative democracy.

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Neversure

7:36 am on Thursday, June 16, 2011

Let me get this straight. You're comparing vandalizing a camera with a revolt against an occupying power? Comparing it to a protest against an unjust and unsustainable war which was tearing this country apart?
Get a grip. Driving is a priveledge, not a right. And, after all, truth is, as annoying as those $40 tickets are, the driver was, indeed, violating the law. And these laws - speed limits - are necessary for the safety of us all.

Brent

12:39 pm on Thursday, June 16, 2011

@ Neversure - - I like the "Driving is a privilege", sounds like you are brain washed.

Typical goverment, always trying to squeeze you till the last drop. I dont like vandalism either but I do like this. :)

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Neversure

12:56 pm on Thursday, June 16, 2011

Of course it's a privelege. You have to take a test, you have to know and obey the rules.

Where DO you people come from????

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Tim

1:38 pm on Thursday, June 16, 2011

Driving IS a privilege. Anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. It's not a debatable subject - it's fact.
-- If you don't have a license, you can be arrested for driving.
-- If you have a license and break speeding laws, you get punished up to and including revocation of your license (i.e. ability to drive legally).

Neversure: Good question, but there sure are a lot of them. The problem is, people who actually think and are responsible for their actions behind the wheel are in short supply in this country. It's always someone else's fault. I should get to do what I want, wah wah wah.

The only thing that irritates me is how the company maintaining the cameras are ripping off (likely) the taxpayers to the tune of 12k per camera/month. That can't be realistic. Sounds like a sweetheart Hailburton style deal to a crony of a higherup in the county.
Although if someone wants to show similar expenses elsewhere in the nation, I'm open to having this cost opinion amended.

William Lutostanski Jr

9:22 pm on Thursday, June 16, 2011

Tim , the contract for the cameras was a no bid contract approved by the County Council, I have yet to recieve an answer as to why it was not sent out to bid to obtain the best deal for the County, but you can probably guess why.

These cameras cost too much! They cried that we needed this for the safety of our children in school zones, however the cameras allow you to travel 12mph over the speed limit before issuing a ticket. Maybe its just me but if speeding in school zones is a problem why take a measure to prevent it that still allows for 12mph over the posted limit? Seems to me that speed humps and traffic circles would have done the job, of actually slowing people down to the speed limit, and at a one time cost, not 12 grand a month.

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NickJ

1:25 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012

Most cops I've spoken with have an unofficial "keep it within 10 and we'll leave you alone" policy. The last thing they want is to get drug into traffic court to argue accuracy of the gun, off-calibration spedometers, etc. Believability of the evidence is a big part. In excess of 10, even the errors that could accumulate from other things still likely leaves you outside of any grey area. Same with these cameras. If you don't believe it, challenge it like a ticket. The camera technology is generally very accurate. hence the high cost. $144k/year rent does seem excessive, and likely the cost we have to pay for permitting officials to give no-bids like this without repercussions. this is exactly the kind of contract that is trivial to set up in a bid process.

but, odds are a posted cop wouldn't be keeping people from going ~10mph over the limit. they'd be hitting the breaks seeing the cop just like they'll get used to doing for the camera. traffic circles are a mess. and I think speed humps are only permitted on residential streets with certain max speed limits, no?

Jocko

10:18 pm on Thursday, June 16, 2011

Tully, you are incorrect.

The Tea Act of 1773 was passed by an out of touch Parliament controlled by the wealthy and connected, giving a monoply to a private enterprise. (Sound Familliar?)

Neversure, you are correct.

The occupying force is overreaching goverment, and its war on the middle class is unsustainable.

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Neversure

11:03 pm on Thursday, June 16, 2011

govnrspendening: the government in place now was elected by a majority of the voters. No one's occupying anything. That's the way it works in this country. If we don't like them, we have the right to vote them out of office.

With the name you have chosen, it sounds like you're still holding a grudge from a few administrations ago.

But I do agree with you, there does seem to be a war on the middle class, and cutting taxes on the rich, and allowing bonuses to the rich, and tearing apart the unions is separating further and further the rich and the poor, so there will be no middle class.

Sean Tully

12:17 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

The Parliament was in England not the United States, as there was no United States at that time.

And this from the Tea Party Patriots website:

"The North ministry's solution was the Tea Act, which received the assent of King George on May 10, 1773."

http://www.teapartypatriots.org/BlogPostView.aspx?id=a13d6ffc-fffc-4f4b-abc0-359e8e31d507

In any event, the colonists had no vote or say in how the government of the United Kingdom was run. That is where the slogan "No taxation without representation" comes from.

Now, whether or not these criminals destroying government property vote or not, I don't know, but they do have a say in how their government is run - if they vote.

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Jocko

9:42 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Tully-You are the last one who I would expect to see using the modern day Tea Party as a reference- try this - http://www.boston-tea-party.org/case-study/page1.html- , but I doubt you will see the parellels there, as you (by your own admission) don't live in Baltimore County.

Neversure- I have no grudge against the former Governor, just thought the name catchy, but I will admit that I thought it amusing when the late, great, William Donald Schaeffer pulled the rug out from under him, and sent him on to his secondary carrer as a stay at home dad.
And the occupying power are enabled by sheep who enjoy the status quo for the present.

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Sean Tully

11:45 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

I tried the link and got this:

"The webpage cannot be found."

http://www.boston-tea-party.org/case-study/page1.html-

My point in using the Tea Party website as a reference was to point out that the Tea Act was approved by the King of England. I am not sure what would have happened if he had not approved it. It probably would not have gone into effect.

amdactivist

7:57 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

wonder if anything being done with those red light cameras that expect you to stop on a dime when they give you under 4 seconds to go from green yellow to red.. Impossible.

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Mike Lurz

2:05 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

for those that support the scameras and believe it frees up police to do more important work...guess what, the crime numbers haven't declined since the use of these scameras started. So what are our ( financially strapped) police doing with their spare time?

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Mike Lurz

2:10 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Driving is a necessity, you cannot work without the ability to get there and back. If you can't work you can't feed yourself and pay taxes. While ( by yours and the government standard) it may be considered such, it is another way our supposedly "free" country has sought to control vital functions for their own benefit, not that of the taxpayer.

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Sean Tully

3:03 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Driving is not a necessity. You can work without a car. People do it everyday. They ride public transportation.

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amdactivist

3:24 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Sean, many cases it is a necessity.. buses only go so far. many times we just can't walk a couple miles to job.

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Sean Tully

3:58 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Gosh, I can't believe I am going to say this like some old grandfather, but here it goes: I used to walk a couple miles to school, work, and even out on nights on the town before.

Sean Tully

4:00 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

p.s. You do see where this "wheels are a necessity to work" business is going, don't you? If wheels are a necessity to get to work and lack of work is what is keeping people on welfare, than isn't it their right to have wheels? Guess we won't be slashing that budget after all.

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Mike Lurz

4:07 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

what the hell are you talking about?

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Mike Lurz

4:08 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

If driving is a privilege, why does it cost so much?

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Sean Tully

11:46 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

The same thing could be said about any privilege. I smoke and they cost near $7.00 a pack. Is smoking a privilege or a right?

David Hyland

4:50 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

As long as Cameras are around taking Police Jobs and fairness out of the picture , paint will be the Achilles heal. What's next GPS tags implanted in County Residents? Where does this Camera Money go again?

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amdactivist

5:01 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Sean. good ole days are gone. Crime was almost nil back then. We didn't have rats or trashy roads either. Would you work 4-12 midnight and walk a mile in the city or some counties? I used to walk with 3 babies 3 miles and back. Won't do it any more..

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Mike Lurz

10:56 am on Saturday, June 18, 2011

@Sean, some of us aspire to higher than minimum wage jobs...try getting to one of those on public trans..HA HA

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Sean Tully

1:22 pm on Saturday, June 18, 2011

Mike, minimum wage job or CEO, having wheels is not a necessity.

Gil

7:06 am on Sunday, June 19, 2011

Sean you live within the city of Baltimore where everything is within walking distance. Anyone living in the county can not walk to any of the necessities of life, like food! Once you leave the city limits, public transportation is a rarity and we like it that way!

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Sean Tully

1:46 pm on Sunday, June 19, 2011

Gil, I do live in the city but in order for me to shop for food, etc., I always have to drive to Arbutus, Catonsville, or even other parts of the city. I do like driving my car, but that does not make my car an necessity.

Now, if you live in parts of the county that do not have public transportation, that is your choice. But your choice does not equate a car being a neccesity.

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Gil

2:33 pm on Sunday, June 19, 2011

Let me follow you here. I happen to live in Baltimore County where there is no public transportation of any kind servicing the area. My business is in Anne Arundel County, 37 miles one way from my home. The section of AA county where the business is located is also rural without public transportation. My wife does work in Baltimore City but the nearest public transportation for her is more than 3 miles from our home.

So for me to make a choice to use public transportation would require me to move from the area I call home to an area where public transportation is available, with which congestion and crime are a negative factor from my view. I sorta like being able to sit on my deck and watch the sun set without someone living so close they can scratch my nose and still be on their property. Nice to not have to chain and lock all of your belongings so they don't vanish overnight too!

Then there is the fact that my business is also rural so I should close that and move the business to a location with public transportation as well, displacing 35 employees in the process.

Is that what you feel my choice is?

How can you say that I could live without a car, not a necessity, with the travel involved in my choice of lifestyle?

I suppose my boat at the end of my pier is a whole other subject! How would I get to the other side of the Chesapeake Bay to Rock Hall for crabs in 30 minuets any other way than my boat?

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Sean Tully

3:51 pm on Sunday, June 19, 2011

Gil, a car is not a necessity because you can choose to live closer to your work. The fact that you choose to live 37 miles from your job doesn't mean a car becomes a necessity. It may be a necessity for you, but that doesn't mean we have to treat it as such for soceity as a whole. And, besides, what does all this have to do with the destruction of speed cameras?

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Gil

6:15 am on Monday, June 20, 2011

Sean, you make a great point, what does this have to do with the destruction of speed cameras?

Very interesting question coming from the person who opened the subject of "necessity!"

I'm sure you'll recall this post you made:

Sean Tully
3:03pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Driving is not a necessity. You can work without a car. People do it everyday. They ride public transportation.

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Sean Tully

3:57 pm on Monday, June 20, 2011

Gil, If you would have looked one post up, you would have seen where the "driving is necessity" discussion really started:

"Driving is a necessity, you cannot work without the ability to get there and back."

Mike Lurz
2:10pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Gil

6:31 pm on Monday, June 20, 2011

I stand corrected but still of the belief that driving is a necessity. How would I have ever gotten to Bengies Drive-In as a young lad?

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Sean Tully

10:30 pm on Monday, June 20, 2011

Good point about Bengies. Okay, you win. :)

Hank

11:12 am on Friday, October 7, 2011

"Gil, a car is not a necessity because you can choose to live closer to your work"

Not so fast. In this economy people scrambling for jobs and don't necessarily work at the same place for long periods of time. Packing up and moving everytime you have a job change is simply not realistic.

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