Speed cameras are a revenue enhancer or a public safety tool, depending on which side of the argument you come down on.
For Councilman David Marks, however, there is one thing a new camera slated for a school zone less a mile from his home is not: political retribution.
Baltimore County Police Chief Jim Johnson said last month that the county will install a camera on Ebenezer Road in front of Perry Hall High School. The camera, scheduled for installation after the first of the year, will be the 16th camera in a county school zone and the first to be added to the original 15 since the program was approved in 2009.
The sign announcing the new camera location went up last month.
Marks and fellow Republican Councilman Todd Huff voted against the expansion in February.
"There are people who want these cameras," said Marks. "I didn't want to authorize the expansion of speed cameras. I think there are other ways to control traffic."
The location of the additional camera will be about a half-mile from Marks' house and likely a daily visible reminder of the expansion he opposed. The councilman chuckled when asked about the placement.
"I don't think it's retribution," Marks said.
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Janet Mercer
9:32 am on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Speed cameras are really the only thing that slow people down (speaking as a leadfoot myself). I believe I read recently, though, that a private company is making the money from them, not the county. If that's true, then it IS about safety, not revenue. However, I really think the county should be getting the money, not a company. At least then the fines would go to the county budget.
Bryan P. Sears
10:02 am on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Janet, you did read that. Patch reported here that ACS State and Local Solutions is now getting about 95 cents of every dollar collected. Mostly this is a result of the county paying a flat fee per camera per month at the same time the number of citations are decreasing. County Executive Kevin Kamenetz has called that contract a bad deal for the county and said it is being renegotiated.
William Lutostanski Jr
10:10 am on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Bryan, Do you know why it was a no bid contract? Twice?
Bryan P. Sears
10:36 am on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
It was piggybacked onto an existing contract with Montgomery County, which was bid out—just not by Baltimore County government. It's a common practice and clearly a matter of debate in an issue like this.
William Lutostanski Jr
10:05 am on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Speed Cameras do not slow people down. They still allow traffic to travel 12 mph over the speed limit. If the County wanted traffic slowed, for the safety of our children as they claim, then they would install speed humps and traffic circles and really do the job. As a bonus the County would also save alot of money as speed humps do not cost $12,000 a month to operate. Wouldnt a nice traffic circle at the entrance of Perry Hall High be great? It would improve traffic flow in the morning and afternoon school drop offs and pick ups and slow traffic down, what a no brainer.
Tim
10:25 am on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Either this, or tweak the cameras in school zones ONLY to 6 mph cushion. Not sure how well it would hold in court though. I'm not sure if the built in buffer of 12 over is as low as they can legally/safely go or not.
I do like the traffic circle idea, but don't have any clue what the costs would be.
Kimberly Ann Bankard
12:47 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Excellent point William. I agree. I think the speed cameras are just a money scam. Your point shows why. The important thing is to protect the children not collect money. Some people don't care about getting fined and still speed but almost everyone cares about slowing down at a speed hump b/c they have to. What's important?
Tim
1:36 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
in the end, I am all for whatever's most effective.
I really am not against the speed cameras, but the costs are ridiculous and they only have limited (read: 45mph zones and up) usefulness if its required to give a 12 mph cushion.
Janet Mercer
11:35 am on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Why not just pay a police officer to sit there and issue tickets? Then the county would get the money and it wouldn't cost $12,000 a month.
Bob Cross
12:18 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
$12,000.00 X 12 months X 16 cameras = $2,304,000.00 = a lot more police officers in our neighborhoods and on our streets. The cameras on ping vehicles going 12 MPH over, Police officers could do more than one thing. I wonder if speed cameras send MTA bus's tickets?
Bill Howard
2:57 pm on Wednesday, October 12, 2011
Bob Thank you for making sense. That 2.3 million dollars could get us some REAL police protection. Only thing is, the extra cops will most likely catch fewer speeding soccer moms and more dope dealers and burglars. Do we want that?
Pearl
12:38 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
The speed cameras aren't costing anything at this point. The County just isn't making as much from them as they could.
Bryan P. Sears
12:41 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
True to a point, Pearl though we don't know what the cost is to the county is in terms of the employees it uses to supervise the program. Last I heard, it was about four employees. That might eat up the balance of the money the county keeps after paying the contractor.
Other Tim
1:17 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
That stretch of Ebenezer Road has become a major thoroughfare. Speed bumps would be unrealistic.
A traffic circle at the entrance of the high school makes no sense. The entrances and exits of the school are only busy 2 times a day, 180 days a year. A traffic circle at Ebenezer and Carlisle might be a good idea, but it would not slow down traffic at the high school.
I'm all for speed cameras. The speed limit along that stretch is 30 MPH. You cannot get fined unless you exceed that speed by 40%!! I think they should increase the fine.
K Blue
1:44 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
If you increase the fine amount, I bet the collection rate would decrease as well. People who would pay a $40 fine might contest it just to buy time to pay the ticket and that is no help to the courts or to the county when that bill comes in for payment to the camera contractor. Personally I think speed cameras are a short-term solution to a long-term problem. Once they are gone, people will revert. If they are to be used, they should be used in connection with other traffic calming devices and heightened police presence. The focus of these cameras is school zones. I cannot tell you how many times I drive in areas nowhere near a school and I see the same officers sitting in the same spots. There is not a crosswalk or child in sight. If this is truly about the children, put those officers in school zones. If you think a $40 fine is going to make someone alter their behavior, imagine what a ticket for blowing through a pedestrian crosswalk, running a stop sign, driving recklessly, or driving 12mph over the speed limit where you will actually get points against your license will do. These speed camera dont give points. People are subject to jail for some of the offenses going on around these schools, but they arent being targeted. You arent going to alter the majority of these bad drivers' behavior if you dont give them tickets that subject them to points or in some instances, jail.
Eric Bromwell
2:23 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
I too live 1/2 mile away from the potential camera site. I too fought legislation to allow these cameras. I think the placement of this camera has less to do with political retribution, and more to do with the obvious speeding problem in front of Perry Hall High School. While I feel there are better alternatives, I do hope the cameras reduce speeding on Ebenezer Road.
Buzz Beeler
2:10 pm on Wednesday, October 12, 2011
A very sensible comment. There are many ways to deal with speeding and this is just one of them.
In today's society cameras are every where and the results are as varied as this issue. Time will tell if this is a viable solution.
Kim Ruark
3:03 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Well, Mr. Bromwell, what do you recommend? :)
Eric Bromwell
4:25 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
When I met with then County Executive Smith nine years ago, I asked for traffic calming devices to be installed at the school. I had asked for lines to be painted on either side of the street to help narrow the road (to a margin similar to that of the stretch of road in front of Indian Rock Park). These lines would have also helped to identify parking for PHHS students. I also asked about the possibility of having trees planted to help create a more narrow roadway.
When that request was not honored, I asked for a blinking crosswalk device that would tell motorists how fast they are travelling, as well as give them the speed limit. Neither of those were implemented, obviously. When I approached County Executive Kamenetz about the issue last year, he mentioned a speed camera. I told him I can't support a speed camera when I feel there are better, far less intrusive options.
Paul Harvey
8:56 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Welcome to the good old boy network of Baltimore County. That's their known MO!!!
Buzz Beeler
10:14 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Did you ever listen to his radio comments years ago. There were some great ones. I wonder what his take on this issue would be?
Guest
9:15 pm on Tuesday, October 11, 2011
I drive pass PHHS every morning after dropping my children off at PHMS. The main danger I see, are the students who walk out into the traffice anywhere they choose too. They have no regards for the vehicles. I am just glad I am not the homeowner of the houses where the kids stand and smoke and throw all their butts on the sidewalks and streets. As a driver, you can't fly up the road in the morning with everyone dropping their students off or students trying to park on the road.
Jason Danaher
2:03 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I live in dundalk. I live near standbury park. the main drag on the road next to the quarry was a speed way. Traffic calming devices to funnel traffic and speed humps have stopped the speeding. Since they are no point tickets, 40 bucks is a 1 time fee. It isnt like a real speeding ticket. where points= insurance going up. I also think since you cannot take a speed camera to court you cannot face your accuser in court. Also the calibration and software are not open to the public. So if the software and sensors are off you cannot defend your self
Buzz Beeler
10:51 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
Jason, I'm not sure about the calibration and software open to the public issue.
While I was the breath test supervisor in the county there were many challenges to the equipment used to obtain a BAC on a defendant. In fact it got so bad that a tech was assigned to be in court to answer many of the challenges.
Laws are akin to spin control; you just never know what the outcome will be. I think you might refer to it as opinion attributed to humane error.
In the case of a speed camera, legal challenges can be made. The drawback is they are costly to those making them.
I have be out of the loop for awhile so I won''t swear to it.
There were many challenges on red light cameras and the timing of the yellow lights.
Kimberly Ann Bankard
11:18 am on Thursday, October 13, 2011
I've been driving to DC for over 22 years and in the past few years as we all know they have lots of signs that tell you your speed with the police speed vehicle close by (sometimes). There have been more than a lot of times where I go by at 60 mph and they read 50mph or 75 mph. I have to take a deep breath when they say 75mph and thank god the ticket vehicle is not there b/c I know I was only going 60. You think cameras don't malfunction like that. Also this has me so upset and mad. I've never gotten a ticket in my life and I drive over 150 miles round trip to work a day. I got my first ticket the day of the hurricane. I was making a right at Moravia on what I thought would be yellow and it turned red faster that I've ever seen in my life. I had my 66 year old mother in the vehicle and I said to her - How did that turn red so fast?. I got a ticket for making a right on red and not stopping long enough. The only reason I turned and did not come to a complete stop is that I thought it was still going to be yellow. Now I have to fight it in court near North Avenue for what a police officer would reasonably probably not have given me a ticket. I think that light turned red faster than it was supposed to. I was not being a racer with my mom in the car.The most important thing near the schools is the kids. Speed Bumps should be stressed. Even the speeders don't want to mess up their vehicles.